Unraveling the Time-travel in “Faith”
After reading redpinkboxes post and everyone else’s comments, I was compelled to think about the time-traveling aspect really hard. Harder than I planned to. So much that I threw out the idea of writing an epic and thorough post on it because my brain hurt so much. I can’t wrap my head around it. Seriously, I tried really hard to figure Eun-soo’s time travel out but I kept on running up against holes in my theories. So I decided I would just do this kind of post instead, to create a separate thread and space to bring together hypotheses and speculations.
First, here is redpinkboxes theory, reposted from her blog with her gracious permission. I started tearing up when I read her post because of how she emphasized Eun-soo’s sacrifice and love for Young. If redpinkboxes’ theory is right, Eun-soo’s love is epic beyond comprehension.
Originally titled, “Faith, You Pain Me.” By Redpinkboxes
Gosh, it’s painful. I need a hug in place of Choi Young. At the moment, he’s pretty much convinced that Eunsoo doesn’t love him, and his love is unrequited. There was one line in 16 that goes… “She doesn’t have a heart”.
But Young, let me tell you, she does have a heart, and she will probably love you more than you love her. She probably relived life in different timezones many times, just for you. What we’re all thinking now is that… is that when she was living this time frame in Goryeo for the first time, Choi Young dies. In order to save him, she returns to 2012, to try to jump back to the same timeframe, to relive it and save Choi Young. However, she goes back way in time, and because she can’t correct it, she writes a letter to Eunsoo, herself, hoping it will reach her when she time travels to Goryeo, because technically, when she writes the letter she was in a time frame way before the time we’re watching in goryeo, which means technically, her time travel and meeting Young has not occurred yet. Those writings in her diary, is probably calculations on how she can travel to the write time in Goryeo.
If the theory about her going back in time to save the situation is true, that pains me even more… Because Eunsoo will love so much, that she’s willing to relive her life in the past, to prevent him from dying, which will then shape history to become what it is today. All these means everything was set from way before, all these were meant to be. Her making these changes to save CY was a part of history, it was meant to be. The changes are already part of history, making it to how history is today, that CY lives till 1388. Eunsoo’s existence in the past was set way before she even existed in the current century… way before she time traveled. Time is re-occurring in the show’s sense. When I’m typing, Young is being stabbed again by Eunsoo. When im typing, Eunsoo’s reading the letters again. Everything is re-occurring.. and Eunsoo can jump back and relive a time frame, if she jumps to the correct time frame she wants to be in. But what i am saying now is her re-jumping into different time frames is already fixed with the history we know today. The supposed history(this sounds weird) has been changed. Say, in the Goryeo Eunsoo lived in the first time she time traveled, CY died early. So if this were to become the history we know today, Choi Young would have died early, and he wouldn’t have had a daughter… and of course his daughter would be nonexistent, and never could have married U of Goryeo(The next king). If Choi Young died early, everything would be changed… Joseon probably wouldn’t have been the next dynasty, Yi Seong Gye probably wouldn’t be the next ruler… Everything would be different. So, back to this… Say in the Goryeo Eunsoo lived in, the first time she time traveled, Young died early… At the age of 30 something (This was probably history she knew, if she didn’t correct it). Of course, Eunsoo doesn’t want him to die early… As a result, Eunsoo returns to 2012, to re-time travel again, to relive the time frame she was in Goryeo(where Young died early, so she can change it for him to live)… But she probably went back further in time, where she wrote the letter to stop herself, and make her make the right decisions in her future time in Goryeo(because if she travels way before, the time where we’re watching now, technically hasn’t occurred yet).
So now, because she traveled to a time frame even before the time travel where CY died, now, this time travel has something different. It has the things she left behind… including the diary. Also, because she traveled to a time way before the period we are watching now, everything is changed now, because her existence in a time way before changes everything. So this probably follows the alternate universe theory… Eunsoo changed what is meant to be, in her life, and her time travel, and now, everything is resetted… So we start again… like in an alternate universe. She is born in 2012… lives till 33, and time travels to goryeo… Then, this time in Goryeo, the one we are watching, she makes decisions according to what she warned herself in the diary, which prevents CY from dying early, hence his able to live till 1388, an old ripe age, which is the history we know today.. So all these are already set.. All these are meant to be. CY might have been supposed to die… But she changed it, and saved him, allowing him to live till 1388… And this becomes the history we know today, whatever changes she made, shaped history to be what it is today.
So now, whatever changes she has done to history, making CY live till 1388, is the correct history we know today. How many times she time traveled, how many times she tried to change history, it is already set, because time is re-occurring. For example, her first time travel, was definitely without the diary’s existence. In that time travel, the history she probably knows from our time was that CY dies at like 30 something. But she changes history to save CY… And the moment she changed history, the reset is pressed on. It’s like some parallel universe…… CY’s dying was what it was supposed to be, but because she changed it, everything is changed, and CY is now not meant to die, he is meant to live till 1388, and he lives till 1388. And now history is changed forever. So when she was born in the current century, and as she grew up learning history, there is only one true history she will learn, which is the corrected history, the history we know today, that CY lives till 1388. Technically, she doesn’t change the history we know today, but changed the history that she knew (what it should have been if she didn’t change history). So all her doings shapes history to what it is today. Gosh, I’d like to hear everyone’s opinion on what’s happening in the drama now. Haven’t even stalked a forum in the longest time, but I’m doing this for Faith now. Talk about obsessive disorder… Little did i think i would fall this hard for Faith… Cause i even categorized Faith under crappy after watching episode 1-2. But now, goodness, I love you, Faith. Thank god i held on to this drama. Definitely, it might not be the best drama out there, but it makes me emotional, it makes me question, it makes me curious, it makes me want to take the pain away from these characters, or the pain they are bound to go through… Be it Choi Young, Eunsoo…. Gongmin and Noguk.
I wish i could take the pain for them.
Faith, you pain me.
Okay, I’m in love with this drama. Definitely not one of the best dramas, but one of those that really reaches out to rip your heart apart, making me hold on to it ever so tight… Not wanting to ever let it go. I wonder when was the last i watched a broadcast TV drama and went till this level of insanity. How much crazier do you plan to make me, Writer Song? Well, whether this drama is great or not, ridiculous in some ways or not…. This is one of the dramas where i go, “I love you, till death do us apart.” Okay, not till this extent, but this line really goes on in my mind.
Faith fans, *group hug*
From Episode 16 Recap comments
Nooooo… And I was gonna comment a while ago in E15 that Hwata may be an ancestor of ES, not ES herself time-travelling and losing her memory of???
wow, so eun soo is clairvoyant now?
Actually, the letter sort of confirms my suspicions from a while back — that Eun Soo is Hwata, but in the future, so it is a sort of time loop. Like, she goes back home, discovers another portal and travels back, but even further back in time, to become Hwata and to leave a letter for herself.
Gosh, could she have left Young once, and regretted it, and travelled further back to remind herself via letter, and change the “future” which is when she arrives in Goryeo (in the first ep)!
I think ES is a time traveler and she’s bouncing around in time to ensure that CY stays alive for his role in Goryeo. I wonder if this is right, if she’ll cross paths with herself.
ES’s letter to herself finally revealed what what her sole purpose of time looping is: TO SAVE YOUNG’S LIFE NO MATTER WHAT, since he’s vital to the development of Korea.
And then Young is always sacrificing himself to save ES, because he feels obligated to return her safely to heaven AND because he loves her now.
I wonder if ES can learn to control she lands in time when she goes into the wormhole?
Sometime in the future, after this Goryeo experience, she might have tried to go back into the wormhole only to end up 100 years before Young’s time, hence the notes/letters in the diary is addressed to her future self? If so, how many times does she need to save Young? Can she then change his final FATE? I think some ppl have mentioned this theory already.
The fortuneteller was telling her “TRY TO REMEMBER”…what? Her journeys through the wormhole..and maybe not past lives with Young???
Do we know what the 3rd Hwata item is yet? Maybe a wormhole opener/closer so ES can control the gate.
you’re right…that why her fortune sticks came out in hanja instead of hangul. and the fortune teller telling her about her heaven sent man. i thought he was talking about a man from the past bc he read it wrongly (he had to look up the translations) but he could’ve both meant that and man from her past, which is why he said try to remember
and then there’s jang bin asking her if she can remember too…it’s a grandfather paradox!!! her dreams aren’t regular dreams or prophesied dreams but memories. GRANDFATHER PARADOX!
OMG! So true! According to wiki “A time loop or temporal loop is a common plot device in science fiction (especially in universes where time travel is commonplace) in which time runs normally for a set period (usually a day or a few hours) but then skips back like a broken record. When the time loop “resets”, the memories of most characters are reset (i.e. they forget all that happened). The plot is advanced by having one or more central characters retain their memory or become aware of the loop through déjà vu”.
This means ES may have time looped several times…depending on how many times she might have failed to save Young? if she remembers her memories or deja vu moments with her diary, then this might be the last time she needs to loop back to Goryeo to set history back on track…
OMG! so do we have an answer now! the diary belongs to ES, and she wrote the letter to her future self!
If it’s true that means she witnessed CY death!! Or else how did she know it was trap!!
He died, she went back to 2012 gather some stuff (diary note included) use the portal to go back, again! Way before his death, and end up in much older past! As she mentioned the second time the portal will opened after 67 years! And to save his life again she lived on those old days and her only way to communicate with her future self is her diary, hoping the future ES will find it and save CY!!
we don`t know how many portals were open in the distant past (100 years before CY) and there is noting stopping her to come back through the same portal she previously used to leave (the one that`s going to be in month or so)… time might be linear but time travel is not…she could even come back through the first portal (the one CY used to brig her there in the first episode) and stay hidden till her past sefl leaves… the possibilities are really too many…i`m getting dizzy now
Ooooo, Adi, that is a good theory.That would be something else…if she just starts back at square one. Things probably wouldn’t play put the same though since people might react differently to the scenarios if she wasn’t involved…DH wouldn’t be able to use ES as his ace card against Young, or GC…but I can definitely see how it would be beneficial to go back to the intial wormhole…with ES knowing everything she does about how they loved each other ( and keeping it to herself) so that at least it is her missing Young when she goes back, rather than both of them being lovesick. Since she’s the type to keep a brave face, and not want to have others hurting at her expense, I can see her just going back into the wormhold after saving the queen before the soldiers and Jo arrive to tell Young to stop her. Ooo
My guess. I think in her last life as Eun Soo, Choi Young was trapped and died. It was too late but she realised he is “that someone”. There was no more reasons for her to stay in Goryeo. She waited at the portal and returned.
In modern korea, she must have endured a life full of regrets and loneliness. So she devised a way to intervene for a different outcome – as Hwata and 100 yrs before.
The time travelling aspect is really making me confused! Imagine her time travelling again and again just to ensure CY survives to a ripe old age as in history …but that would mean either history was messed up previously and es is correcting it by her time travel and leaving notes for herself or es is actually the driving force in ensuring history is accurate (just like Rouxi in Bu Bu Jin Xin).
I think she’s telling herself to stay behind and be with CY instead of leaving. She made a decision and he died, she’s regretted it ever since.
Regarding the letters, I think she warned herself in case she happened to come back to Goryeo. I believe she lived almost everything similar to what she’s doing now, but a little differently since she saw herself wearing different clothing and writing in pen. Since the legend says that Hwa Ta came back every 1000 years(or something), maybe she was brought back to save another royal family from dying. I think that before her and Choi Young were together & married, but she still longed to be home and ended up making the decision to leave. With that letter, she warned herself of what happened and she should do(which is stay by his side in Goryeo). I’m still not sure why she has no memory of ever going there, but we now know she was there. So I’m still guessing that she’s the famous Hwa Ta that everyone was talking about? Looking back at the first episode, it seems like her personality to not be swayed by power & Hwa Ta rejected an offer to become a powerful doctor.
I think she travels every 100 years since she her self said the diary looks about that old… and she is 33 Y.O and the portal opens every 67 years so it’s just a cycle that keeps repeating itself once the one hundred years comes around and at some point she realizes this and starts leaving notes to herself.
Yes that makes sense, but how do you explain CY dying? She wrote that she had to save that person because they wee heading to a trap. If CY did in fact die, that doesn’t explain the history Eun Soo studied in school because it said he died at an old age. Unless there are multiple dimensions….eehhh nvm on that one lol
I can’t coherently put this theory together without driving myself crazy so I will just leave my notes/hypothesis and clues I gathered.
Current Goryeo time- 1351
Hwata existed around 1000 yrs ago so around 1250
From the shots of her diary that we got, Eun-soo started calculating years from 1151. So her diary might be 200 years old, not 100 years old like she thought.
If we look carefully at the years that she wrote down, Eun-soo only highlighted the years with X next to it. From what I can see those years were 1160, 1171, 1185…1258…. What those X’s mean? I don’t know.
The formula that Eun-soo has basically calculates the relative sunspot number. Sunspot activity is cyclical and reaches its maximum around every 9.5 to 11 years.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………Can anyone figure this out? Should we even bother trying?